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DM: Re: [ML] A Program For Grade One Reading


From: Ron Blue
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:59:18 -0400

All words are highly personal and connected to that persons experiences.  A
word is a local event or stimulus which activate the global stored
experiences associated with it.   The associations are weighted histories of
ones past and the recent stimulation created by the current experience.
These associations are interactive and interfering.  Because of the nature
of wavelet processing in the brain and wavelet filtering, the ultimate
results is that probability for a particular interpretation collapses.

There are several ways to accomplish this in a machine.  One way is to use
carbon tetrachloride with a procedure for inputting waves of stimulus into
the spinning container and a sensor at various locations to pickup a binary
out come from the interactions.   Another way is to use laser light with
encode information and sensors to pickup a binary out come from the
interactions.  All of these ways uses wavelets and interaction wavelets to
process and store information.
Currently, this technology is available in a quantized electrostatic wavelet
processing machine know as a Correlational Oppositional Ratio Enhanced
processor.  Which procedure will win the day has yet to be determined.
If you are interested in the technology go to http://turn.to/ai

Ron Blue

----- Original Message -----
From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" <culturex@vcn.bc.ca>
To: <datamine-l@nautilus-sys.com>; <machine-learning@egroups.com>;
<robot-for-president@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:03 PM
Subject: [ML] A Program For Grade One Reading


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 > I would appreciate any comments on the exchange with Professor Minsky,
 > below. We associate our verbalizations (eg in Q-A sessions re reading
 > comprehension) very much with consciousness or sentience. Could it be that
 > we are no more cognizant of the calculus for word-usage than a person
 > talking in his sleep? With millions of experts on the planet who deal with
 > one aspect or another of grade one reading, can we expect to find a set of
 > known rules for giving correct answers to questions which could be
 > programmed into a computer?
 > FWP
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 > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
 > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <fwpoley@vcn.bc.ca>
 > Reply-To: EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art@egroups.com
 > To: Marvin Minsky <minsky@media.mit.edu>
 > Subject: [EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art] Re: the "Human Equivalency"
 >     Question (Which is what the proposed ed tv program will be built
around).
 >
 > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Marvin Minsky wrote:
 >
 > > At 12:38 PM -0700 9/14/00, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 > >
 > > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Marvin Minsky wrote:
 > >
 > > > In cases where humanoids are still inferior, does it 'only' take
 > >
 > > >a greater deployment of money and labour to close the gap or do we
 > > need to
 > >
 > > >INVENT something new?
 > >
 > > Yes, money by itself won't help, until we have better ideas about what
 > > to spend it on.
 >
 > clip
 >
 > OK, let's forget factor analysis for now. Let's take all the tough
 > problems in AI and set them out and then analyze them by a different
 > method...let's call it common sense analysis since you invoked common
 > sense in an earlier email. Here is one you gave in your email of
 > Aug. 29/00:
 >
 > "We have no programs, to this day, that can answer simple questions about
 > what they've 'read' in a first grade story book."
 >
 > I am on a datamining list which is populated mainly by computing
 > science-statistics experts (as best I can tell). From the discussion on
 > definitions I think this qualifies as "data mining from text". I will put
 > this problem out to them too. In common sense terms how would I go about
 > solving it?
 >    First I would seek out the experts on teaching grade one
 > reading...specialists in early childhood education. As smart as they might
 > be I don't think linguists and psychologists in general can help much when
 > it comes to working out the specifics of this problem.
 >    My question would be whether they know the rules which are used when a
 > child learns to answer questions about a text at that level. Maybe they
 > don't, as astounding as that may sound. Maybe even with millions of such
 > educators on the planet we (humankind) still don't know how a
 > six-year-old reads a book. What rules does the six-year-old follow to
 > answer the questions which are asked?
 >    If that is so, much of education at this level is going on at an
 > unconscious level. If it were conscious I expect we could verbalize it.
 > Now here is where philosopher-psychologists with clinical backgrounds like
 > myself could be helpful. We could have a try at "raising
 > consciousness" for those grade one teachers (and their students) and we
 > could do it online even. So we would go from unconscious teaching-learning
 > to conscious teaching-learning to verbalizing of the teaching-learning to
 > writing a computer program for it. When Skinner said, "If it can be
 > verbalized, it can be programmed" he probably didn't have computer
 > programs in mind. But I think he meant programming in general and
 > "Skinner's Dictum" seems to apply pretty well to computer programming too.
 > If we can verbalize the rules for answering questions in the grade one
 > reader I expect those rules can be programmed into a computer.
 >
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